How Does the Lordship Advocate Define Repentance?
To All:
Nathan Busenitz is the personal assistant to Dr. John MacArthur. In late 2006 Nathan invited me to enter a series of what grew into protracted discussions at the Pulpit Magazine web site over the Lordship interpretation of the gospel. (John MacArthur’s Grace to You ministry operates Pulpit Magazine)
As for Nathan personally, I have never met him, but he is one of the most pleasant men I have ever sharply disagreed with doctrinally. It was refreshing to debate the Lordship Salvation issue with Nathan at his site. I believe Nathan and I gave an object lesson on how men can disagree sharply, and yet charitably.
At the height of our discussions I encouraged Nathan to expand our discussion to other important and related doctrines, but he was not very interested in discussing anything other than repentance. That was a little frustrating because the Lordship interpretation touches on numerous Bible doctrines. The repentance question, however, became a very important and revealing discussion because it is with repentance that the Lordship advocate takes some of his most serious doctrinal missteps. Through my interaction with Nathan we get a clearer picture of Lordship’s view of repentance, salvation.
During our on line discussion Nathan stated, “Lordship sees repentance as more than just a change in dependence. It is also a change of allegiance. It includes a willingness to submit to the authority of Jesus Christ…. Lordship Salvation defines sin as rebellion or ‘lawlessness’ (which is how 1 John 3:4 defines it). To turn from (or forsake) one’s rebellion is (by definition) to begin submitting.”
Nathan’s definition of repentance (representative of the Lordship position) requires a lost man to be inclined (i.e., make a decison) to stop sinning and “start obeying” to receive the gift of eternal life. This is to tell a lost man that he must turn over a new leaf to be born again. Nathan’s repentance is telling a lost man that he must make a commitment to change his behavior, which is telling a lost man he must repent toward good works. I am certainly not suggesting that a lost man who thinks he can pray for salvation, while at the same time is determined to continue his sinful ways, can be genuinely born again.
“If I truly hate my sinfulness, and am broken over it, I will be simultaneously inclined to stop doing it. And as I earlier pointed out, the inclination (or desire or willingness) to stop sinning is the inclination to start obeying. And an inclination to start obeying is a change of allegiance (from self to God).”
For the record here, and in my book, I strongly object to the reductionist Crossless gospel associated with Zane Hodges, Bob Wilkin and the Grace Evangelical Society. Nathan’s repentance, however, demands a commitment for reformation of life to receive the gift of eternal life.
Lordship Salvation’s repentance confuses sanctification (growth of a believer) with justification, (God declaring/making a sinner righteous). For Lordship advocates anything short of a commitment to obedience is not repentance, and would leave the lost man dead in his sins, no matter he believed about his guilt before God or the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Upfront commitment to the kind of behavior expected of a spiritually mature Christian is the Lordship advocates definition of repentance.
Referring back to Nathan’s comment above he wrote,
“Lordship sees repentance as more than just a change in dependence. It is also a change of allegiance.”As soon as I saw Nathan’s use of “allegiance” in his definition of repentance I had an immediate concern. I followed up with two questions for Nathan based from a passage of Scripture.
I posted the above twice to Nathan’s attention at Pulpit Magazine, but he never replied to it. It is a question Lordship advocates cannot answer! Lordship’s repentance, which calls for commitment, submission, and allegiance infringes on the finished work of Christ. A commitment to do what is right is misplaced dependence. That is depending on behavior for salvation. That is works dependence!“Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God,” (John 12:42-43).
The Bible says they were not open about, and would not confess a “change of allegiance.” Did they biblically repent; were they believers?
Nathan also wrote,
“Lordship teaches that repentance includes a turning from lawlessness and rebellion, which necessarily means a willingness to surrender, and a turning to God.”This is where Calvinism’s regeneration before faith is a key issue. Nathan’s order is wrong! Lost man cannot turn from sin, but he can turn to God to deliver him from sin and Hell. To be saved, must a man depend on a commitment to and promise of righteous living, or must he depend on the finished work of Christ? Must a lost man make a decision to stop sinning and commit to obedience and allegiance for salvation? To be born again, a man cannot trust both a personal commitment and the finished work of Christ.
Salvation comes by the total unconditional transfer of a man's dependence to God alone through Christ's atoning sacrifice and resurrection, and occurs apart from any personal upfront commitment to the “good works” (Eph. 2:10) expected of a mature born again child of God.
A proper understanding of repentance can only be drawn out of a study of its precise theological usage in the New Testament, and must be based upon its primary meaning, a change of mind.
LM
The above is not meant to be an exhaustive treatment or discussion of the doctrine of repentance. I have posted Nathan's opinion on repentance, which is representative of most Lordship advocates. The revised and expanded edition of my book is nearly complete. In the book there are numerous pages dedicated to a thorough discussion of repentance.


16 comments:
Hey Lou,
I'm very much looking forward to the release of your updated book. I had been so confused about Repentance because I had only ever been given the Lordship position definition of it. I spent SO much time in the Bible trying to figure out what each instance of the word was referring too. Thank God a good friend told me to read H.A. Ironside's "Unless You Repent!" which has shown me that Repentance truly is just a change of mind. It's coming into agreement with God that you are a sinner worthy of Hell, and dependence on Christ to have paid the price.
The whole confession deal homo logos. Is to agree with His Word, His description of our position.
Loving your blog. Wish I would have found it sooner.
Kev
Hello Kev:
Thanks for stopping by. Glad you are enjoying my blog.
If not for the reaction/response to my book I never would have gotten into this blogging business. Since starting I have found it to be very beneficial in some ways. I do try to make it look half-way decent for my guests. The Snap It feature seems to have crashed, I'll have to see what gives with that.
I have not had the opportunity to read Ironside's book. I may get a copy. Glad to hear you found Ironside helpful.
My book will NOT be under a new cover or title. I decided to just update the exisiting. I did toy with a new title, Another Defense of the Gospel. But the changes are minor and did not warrant a new book all-together.
Thanks for visiting.
Lou
Kev:
I'll visit more of your blog later this weekend. Thanks for linking my site. I hope to do the same for yours. My IT helper is away for a few days. She does the technical stuff for me.
LM
Hey Lou, thanks. My blog is mostly rambling about whatever I'm learning at the time. :)
It's amazing how Blogging makes you have to figure out what you really believe on a subject. I doubt I'd be learning half as much if I weren't doing it.
I see you link to Middletown Bible Church. I thought I was a literalist but some of their studies exposed that I was "spiritualizing" some parts of the Word without even knowing it. The Internet might be filled with a lot of bad stuff, but God has used it to be a great blessing as well.
Kev
Kevl:
Yes, I too have found the blog motivates me to seek the highest possible level of precision. This means more than the usual study, mediatation and comparison.
When people comment/criticize what I write I will then look again to make I have not dropped the theological ball somewhere. This is what lead to my doing a mild revision to the book. Sharpening and tighenting portions as a result of some helpful discussions on the blogs.
More...
LM
As for Middeltown's site- Pastor Zeller has done some very good work on a variety of issues including Calvinism and Lordship Salvation.
He and I have spoken several times, and I included two appendix entries from him in my book.
Good to hear you find him helpful.
Lou
Lordship would also have a hard time explaining Nicodemus. Well thought out.
Hi Anon:
Yes, you are right. I do have some notes on the Nicodemus incident and it is a similarily difficult situation for the LS advocates.
I'd appreciate it if you'd take a stab at sharing how you believe the scene with Nicodemus is a problem for Lordship theology. I want you to feel free to post some thoughts. OK?
Lou
Hey Lou,
Yup I love it when someone challenges what I believe - because one of two things is always going to happen. I'm going find out I was wrong and learn the True thing. OR I'm going to be come that much more well versed in the Truth of what I've already been shown in the Word.
I hope the anonymous poster does come back to share some thoughts on Nic
Kev
Kevl:
Thanks for the note. Challenges drive us back to the Scriptures, as it should. I also like to cross-check myself with the work from various commentators.
Have great Lord's Day.
LM
>>Nathan’s definition of repentance (representative of the Lordship position) requires a lost man to be inclined (i.e., make a decison) to stop sinning and “start obeying” to receive the gift of eternal life. This is to tell a lost man that he must turn over a new leaf to be born again.
That, Lou, is a straw man.
Consider Zaccheus' conversion. He announced his intention to restore what he had gotten unjustly. He had not actually made a single restitution -- but he had repented.
Living out one's repentance is possible only by the empowerment of the Spirit provided to God's children. The willingness / inclination so to do is a much smaller thing ...
None I have ever heard will tell the drunkard he has to be sober for 30 days before he can be saved. But telling him that he must be willing or inclined to abandon his sin ... that is another thing entirely.
Daniel,
I'm curious. Do you think a lost person needs to be willing to give up specific sin, or merely sin in general? Is this "willingness" an emotion (e.g. sorrow) and/or words that express the same, or is there more involved?
Sorrow is not repentance, but is intended to lead us to repentance (2 Cor 7 -- I looked it up since you got me on the last one I failed to!).
Repentance is an act of the will, not an emotion. We usually observe it accompanied by or even brought about by the emotion of sorrow, but they are not the same.
Specific or general ... I'm not aware that the Bible answers that question definitively. We have specific examples like Zaccheus. We have David and others making the simple statement "I have sinned" and changing course thereafter. In David's most notable case, he had in mind a specific sin even if he didn't speak it (Psalm 51).
Daniel:
It is no “straw man” when I cite the very terms they use to describe their own position.
I have had dozens of hours of personal interaction with the LS advocates and 19 years of reading their works on the subject. I am always careful to quote them fairly and accurately.
You wrote, “None I have ever heard will tell the drunkard he has to be sober for 30 days before he can be saved.”
Neither have I, but the LS gospel requires an upfront commitment to the “good works” (Eph. 2:10) expected of a mature disciple of Christ for the reception of eternal life.
So, the drunkard will have to make a commitmet to “stop sinning” (drinking) or he cannot be saved, according to LS.
LM
Usually the term "turn over a new leaf" is used to refer to actually, in practice, getting one's life cleaned up. That goes beyond "an upfront commitment". Perhaps you used the phrases as synonyms instead. If you did mean living out the changed to which one committed prior to regeneration, then that is a straw man. No one will espouse that doctrine for no one could defend it.
All right, then, an "upfront commitment to good works" ... does that sound difficult? To the slave of sin certainly! One may as well tell a lame man to take up his bed and walk as tell a sinner to commit to stop sinning.
But then, the One Who calls the sinner to take His yolk upon him did tell the lame man to walk. And why not? We deal not with some teacher or inspirational speaker, but with Almighty God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that in them is, who spoke and the worlds were formed.
And what saith the Scripture of the power to be a child of God? John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Oh believe it in all this rich fullness, brethren! Do not for an instant join them who, having a form of godliness deny the power thereof!
"Power to become the sons of God" ... oh what power that takes, for the fullness of that miracle is such that "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" (I John 3:9)!
Glory be to the name of Jesus! He breaks the power of canceled sin! He sets the prisoner free! If any be in Him, he is a new creation: old things are passed away, behold all things are become new! Hallelujah!
The miracle of the once-lame man walking pales in comparison to this, the miracle of the once-sinful man living holy!
How I remember the complete inability to do right! How true was Romans 8:8, "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." But thank God for verse 9! "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
Praise the Lord!
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