August 24, 2010

Do Fundamentalists & Evangelicals, “Believe, Preach and Defend the [Same] Gospel?”

Many of you are aware of a long running series by Dr. Kevin Bauder titled Now, About Those Differences. He is publishing this series to clear up what he alleges to be misunderstandings surrounding his incendiary article Let’s Get Clear on This. In the opinion of a number of readers the Differences series has frequently reiterated his lavish praise of Evangelicalism and continues to redefine and/or castigate Fundamentalism just as he did with both movements in the Let’s Get Clear on This article. Nevertheless, the current installment, Part 12 subtitled Together (Only?) for the Gospel contains an element that is highly disconcerting, bordering on a deliberate misrepresentation of a known fact, which is the subject of this article.

Dr. Bauder wrote,

Most fundamentally (the word is deliberate), both groups are united in their affirmation and exaltation of the gospel. None of the differences that we have examined to this point results in a denial of the gospel. Both fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals believe the gospel, preach the gospel, and defend the gospel.”
For any objective commentator it is widely known and irrefutable that Calvinistic soteriology in the form of the Lordship Salvation interpretation of the Gospel is the Gospel message of the so-called “conservative” evangelicals.

Is it possible that Kevin Bauder refuses to disclose the vast chasm, disagreement and debate in Fundamentalism over what is the true nature of saving faith; what is the Gospel?

His statement above is at best an avoidance of the truth and at worst a deliberate attempt to conceal the disagreement that exists among men in Fundamentalism on the nature of the one true Gospel.

There is wide spread disagreement in Fundamentalism over Calvinism, but for many on both sides of that debate Calvinism does not necessarily mandate a split. Lordship Salvation, however, is an entirely different point of sharp contention.1 John MacArthur defined the core of Lordship Salvation (LS) when in TGATJ he wrote, “Salvation is for those who are willing to forsake everything.”2 Statements such as that are the focal point of controversy and many fundamentalists consider that to be a defining mark of a works salvation.

Bauder also wrote,
This mutuality in the gospel leads to a question. Since conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists are united in their allegiance to the gospel, should they not be able to cooperate at the level of the gospel? To put it positively, should fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals get together for the gospel?”
There is no universal “mutuality in the gospel” among evangelicals and fundamentalists. “Evangelicals and fundamentalists are [NOT] united in their allegiance to the gospel,” because there is a vast difference between what evangelicals and non-Calvinists in Fundamentalism believe to be the one true Gospel. It is irrefutable, and Kevin Bauder is well aware, that many men in Fundamentalism reject Calvinistic soteriology in the form of LS as a false, works based Gospel. It is, furthermore, indisputable that virtually every man in “conservative” evangelicalism is a passionate advocate for Lordship Salvation, which Bauder is also well aware of. Men in Fundamentalism who reject Lordship Salvation as a false works-based message are as aware as Bauder is that evangelicals are almost universal in agreement on Lordship Salvation as John MacArthur defines it. It is, therefore, impossible for fundamentalists who reject LS to have any kind of fellowship, unity or cooperation with the evangelicals because of their advocacy of Lordship Salvation.

To be honest with his readers Kevin Bauder must add a qualifier, a clarification. The qualifier would be along these lines, “Since [Calvinistic] conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists are united in their allegiance to the gospel…” It is the Calvinistic Lordship Salvation message that Calvinists in fundamental circles are choosing to unite around with their Calvinistic counter-parts in Evangelicalism. This is irrefutable! Dr. Bauder also wrote,
Is it really believable that they [T4G] cannot find a place for Christian statesmen like Charles Ryrie or John C. Whitcomb?
Of course it is believable. Frankly, this is a question any casual observer could answer. T4G is Together for the LS Gospel.3 Then there is the alternating year sister conference The LS Gospel Coalition. Lordship Salvation is the interpretation of the Gospel that they gather around. How could Bauder not grasp that T4G will never have Dr. Ryrie on their platform when he surely knows that Dr. Ryrie in, So Great Salvation rejects John MacArthur’s Lordship Salvation?

What the apologists for unity with Evangelicalism such as the pseudo- fundamentalist Sharper Iron do not fully disclose is that Bauder’s so-called “pure gospel” rallying point is Calvinistic soteriology in the form of the Lordship Salvation. This is exactly why no man who rejects Lordship Salvation will ever be invited to the platform of events like T4G and/or The Gospel Coalition.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the sole test for fellowship with the evangelicals is whether or not they can agree on a Calvinistic soteriology. Kevin Bauder is willing to find agreement and base fellowship with evangelicals solely on the LS interpretation of the Gospel. Virtually all other considerations among the evangelicals such as ecumenical compromise, worldliness and aberrant doctrine have been tolerated, ignored, allowed for and excused.

It is irresponsible to portray Fundamentalism as though all fundamentalists accept and agree with the evangelicals interpretation of the Gospel. This is an inappropriate caricature of the whole of Fundamentalism. According to Kevin Bauder,
Both fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals believe the gospel, preach the gospel, and defend the gospel.”
The truth is that many men in Fundamentalism do NOT “believe, preach or defend” the Lordship Salvation message of the evangelicals. They instead reject LS because it “corrupts the simplicity that is in Christ” (2 Cor. 11:3) and biblically resist its spread as fervently as they would Roman Catholicism’s sacramental system because both are works based, non-saving interpretations of the Gospel.

IMO it is disingenuous for Kevin Bauder to speak of the Gospel in his article as if there is wide spread unanimity in all of Fundamentalism for agreement with evangelicals on what constitutes the Gospel, the nature of saving faith. His failure to disclose the well-known, demonstrable division in Fundamentalism over LS, the open rejection of the LS gospel of the evangelicals, is the practice of censorship by omission. I am calling on Kevin Bauder to be honest with his readers. To publicly recognize that many men in Fundamentalism reject Calvinistic soteriology and especially the Lordship Salvation, which the evangelicals “believe, preach and defend.”

Close on a Personal Admonition to Kevin Bauder:
Brother Bauder you do not speak on behalf of and are no more the voice of Fundamentalism than I am.

As I have documented in this article you are perpetuating a fallacy on unity in the Gospel. It is intellectually dishonest to declare, without qualification, there is unanimity on the Gospel between fundamentalists and evangelicals. It is an egregious misrepresentation. Scores of fundamentalist pastors, teachers and evangelists reject Evangelicalism’s Lordship Salvation as a false interpretation of the Gospel and you know this to be true. To reiterate, you do not speak for Fundamentalism. Fundamentalists speak for themselves and many of them passionately reject Lordship Salvation and would have every right to be offended by your suggesting Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism believe, preach and defend the [same] Gospel.

I am calling on you to immediately publish a correction of this misrepresentation. Be honest with your readers. Tell them that a select group of Calvinists in Fundamentalism rally around evangelicals on Calvinistic soteriology in the form of the Lordship Salvation. Tell your readers that Calvinistic soteriology is the “pure gospel” you speak of and around which you are trying to influence others toward unity in the Evangelical and Fundamentalist camps.


1) What is the Fault Line for Fracture in Fundamentalism?
How can there be unity within a fellowship when two polar opposite interpretations of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ are accepted as legitimate? Reasonable men can get along over differences of opinion over Reformed theology. Many men who reject Calvinism have cordial personal friendships with IFB men who are Calvinistic in their theology. There is the desire to work in cooperative efforts and I understand that desire. It is, however, antithetical to the Scriptures to call for unity in any fellowship at the expense of compromise with Lordship’s message, which has changed the terms of the Gospel.
2) For a brief definition of LS by Dr. John MacArthur see, Summary of Lordship Salvation From a Single Page

3) Let’s Get “CRYSTAL” Clear on This: A Response to Kevin Bauder’s “Cannonball” Cogitations: “Foremost Defenders of the Gospel Today?”

Please continue to Cogitations Stemming From the Central/Bauder Ethos Statement


  1. Brian Ernsberger8/24/2010 8:29 PM

    Bro. Lou,

    Thank you for this article. It is time to call out and take a stand. Elijah called out the Israelites at Mt. Carmel but they remained silent initially. Sad commentary on their spiritual condition that they were unwilling to say anything until after the sacrifice was consumed by God.

    It is indeed time to wake up and see the damage that will be done if those within Fundamentalism whose agenda is to moderate and soften Fundamentalism's militancy are able to foist their distorted view/understanding of what is historic Fundamentalism. Kevin Bauder has been active in this arena with his postings at his blog site for quite some time.

    Thanks for the exposure of what is going on.

  2. Brian:

    Thanks for the support and encouragement. This article has had hundreds of reads since I posted it last night.

    The on line blogging evidence is irrefutable from Kevin Bauder and *Dave Doran. They have softened personally toward, are chipping away at and trying to influence their followings to abandon Fundamentalism’s militancy especially in regard to authentic biblical separatism.

    As I noted in this article Bauder is perpetuating a gross misrepresentation in his suggesting unity between Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism on the Gospel. Outside of men in Fundamentalism who are Calvinists and accept LS as the Gospel his all encompassing claims of unity around the Gospel with evangelicals are not true and he knows it. I mulled this over since I read his Differences, Part 12 on Friday. I finally decided that this obvious misrepresentation crossed the line, necessitated an exposure and an open call for honesty from him.

    More to follow.


  3. Brian:

    Continuing from above…

    This tact from Bauder has its roots in the paradigm shift to a gospel-driven separatism, which Dave Doran also articulates. The whole counsel of God is not brought to bear on the evangelicals in favor of let's agree on the Gospel and agree to disagree on virtually all the rest. Men like Bauder and Doran do not hold the evangelicals accountable for running rough-shod over the Scriptures that forbid their ecumenical compromises. It is ignored or excused.

    2 Cor. 6:14-17, Eph. 5:11; 2 John 6-11 are very clear, Bauder can teach from these very capably, 2 John in particular. When it comes to the evangelicals, however, he will not make the application and refuses to them hold them accountable for their violating the principles of those passages.

    If men were to be consistent and live in fidelity to the whole counsel of God there is ample evidence from many of the evangelicals that irrefutably brings passages such as 2 Thess. 3:6, 14-15 and Romans 16:17 to bear. That is why IMO Bauder does not hold them accountable for their ecumenical compromises and he never raises or discusses the passages on separatism from disobedient and erring brethren. If he does, he has a difficult personal decision to make- Either:

    1) Obey the Scriptural mandates and call for separatism from the evangelicals, or...

    2) Redefine and/or dismiss the Scriptures openly and openly call for others to follow his dismissal of those passages.

    On #1 I believe he will never go there because IMO he is well on the way to abandoning Fundamentalism and is building bridges for himself to one day join and become one of the evangelicals. To do this he must abandon fidelity to the principles of separatism just like the New Evangelicals 50 years ago and their children, the so-called “conservative” evangelicals, still do today. If he holds firm on separatism from unbelievers and disobedient/erring brethren the evangelicals will never accept him.

    FWIW, I sometimes wonder if Bauder’s intermediate step to evangelicalism is to create some kind of hybrid movement between the two and position himself as its figure-head.

    IMO this paradigm shift on separatism being propagated by Bauder and Doran is simply a mechanism to abandon the biblical mandates on separation for the sake of a pure church so that they (Bauder/Doran) can call for fellowship around the Calvinistic soteriology of their counter-parts in the so-called “conservative” evangelicalism.

    The price for that paradigm shift has shown itself in the form of their willingness to tolerate, allow for, excuse and/or ignore the evangelical’s aberrant theology, worldliness in their methods of ministry and ecumenical compromises.


  4. To All:

    Bauder asked, “Is it really believable that they [T4G] cannot find a place for Christian statesmen like Charles Ryrie or John C. Whitcomb?”

    I answered this in the article above, but I was wondering this afternoon-

    Has anyone consider that Charles Ryrie and/or John Whitcomb may not want and would decline an invitation to speak at T4G if it ever was offered?


  5. Hi Lou,

    As one who has recently seen the fruit of allowing members of a ministry to even visit T4G; that being the destruction of a highly fruitful ministry - I can say with confidence that if Charles Ryrie or John Whitcomb were to speak at such an event it would be a travesty.

    Unless they were to out and out rebuke the foolish men leading so many astray and Biblically destroy their imagined theology that raises it self above the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, for either man to even be present at such an event would be a travesty.


  6. Kev:

    I agree with your feelings above.

    If Ryrie or Whitcomb were to cooperate in fellowship with the T4G men it would signal, at the minimum, tacit endorsement of their Lordship gospel, aberrant theology and hobnobbing with unbelievers.



  7. Brian Ernsberger8/25/2010 8:38 PM

    Part of this equation that has remained somewhat silent is the hermeneutics of these men/groups. For the most part the CE men are of a reformed/covenant thought while Ryrie, et. al. and Fundamentalists are of a dispensational thought (even Bauder willingly acknowledges this). The hermeneutics of these two (reformed-dispensational) are really at odds with one another. How we interprete the Scripture bears directly on our understanding of what the Scriptures say. When you look back over the past 100 years, you really don't see a widespread, wholesale cooperation between these two hermeneutics. Really only a rather limited, local/personal cooperation.
    Just some food for thought.

  8. Brian, dispensationalism is not a hermeneutic opposed to reformed/covenant men. Charles Ryrie is a 4 point calvinist. There are many 5 point calvinists/dispensationalists.

    On this particular issue, hermeneutics is not the issue. The issue has more to do with word meanings and theology.

  9. Brian Ernsberger8/26/2010 5:11 PM

    Please go back and read what I said. Calvinism is just the soteriological part of reformed/covenantal thought.One can be Calvinistic and not be Reformed/Covenantal, but one cannot be reformed and not be a Calvinistic.
    I was not voicing anything against those who espouse Calvinism regardless of how many points they are. My thrust was to the difference between Dispensation's hermeneutics and Reformed/Covenant hermeneutics.
    Some suggested reading in case you don't really understand the difference between dispensationalism and Reform/Covenantalism. Charles Ryrie's Dispensationalism; Renald Showers' There really is a Difference!; and an exceptional book IMO is Mal Couch's An Introduction to Classical Evangelical Hermeneutics: A Guide to the History and Practice of Biblical Interpretation.

  10. Brian, on this particular issue, it doesn't matter if one is dispensational or covenantal. On this issue, the DT/CT divide is meaningless. Since you have men on both sides who are both of those positions, it is a nonissue.