tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post1134642172669277422..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: Northland Int’l University Presents Executive Pastor of Grace Community Church to Its Student BodyLou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-91745383275825309732011-05-30T07:49:47.503-05:002011-05-30T07:49:47.503-05:00Jan:
Thanks for the comments, especially citing R...Jan:<br /><br />Thanks for the comments, especially citing Rick Holland’s LS preaching. In April 2010 NIU president Matt Olson along with Les Ollila, Sam Horn and Doug McLachlan went to MacArthur's Grace church to meet with JMac, Holland and Phil Johnson. They came away giving those men, and their LS message, a clean bill of doctrinal health. To make it worse, NIU’s president then hosted Rick Holland in NIU’s chapel to speak to the impressionable young people. There is no way that Matt Olson and Les Ollila do not know that men like Rick Holland preach LS. With their invitation to him they do not reject LS, but instead promoted this false teaching to their student body. NIU endorsed and legitimized Lordship Salvation.<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-42183011903110727272011-05-29T14:48:13.033-05:002011-05-29T14:48:13.033-05:00I will never forget the time I heard Rick Holland ...<i>I will never forget the time I heard Rick Holland preach on Christ's substitutionary death on the cross for over 40 minutes only to finish the sermon with a call to receive Christ as Lord, and He will become your Savior. He could (and should) have told the room to believe in Christ's cross work for their sins. But that would have violated TULIP's L, which he had made a (subtle) point of emphasizing earlier. So instead they are all called on to receive Him as Lord, whether they are elect or no, but not to deal directly with His cross work: to eat His flesh and drink His blood, to look to His finished work to save them.</i><br /><br />This is a comment I made recently on another thread here. I am reposting it in this thread as it is about Rick Holland's method of sharing the gospel. His talk is very confusing and creates a dissonance in the mind because he wants non-synonymous words to mean the same thing.<br /><br />Here are two direct quotes I copied when I listened to this message in June of 2009:<br /><br /><i>Come to Christ tonight. Believe who Jesus is and what He did tonight. Don't wait. We're not going to have a big altar call on Monday night and hold hands and sing Kum ba Ya. Come, I beg you, come to Christ tonight. I have every confidence that there are people here, and maybe you've never heard the gospel before, but even a greater confidence that there are people in this room who perhaps have grown up in a church, heard the gospel a THOUSAND times can recite the gospel themselves <b>but have never embraced Jesus as Lord</b></i>.<br /><br /><i>Please, please, please receive, <b>receive Jesus as Lord</b> and He will become your Savior</i>.<br /><br />Somehow, the obedience of believing Christ's shed blood for salvation is not enough obedience on your part to save you. Nor is recognizing God's right to judge you and to recon Christ's finished work to your account submission enough. You must also receive Him as Lord, or else you are not really saved.<br /><br />JanHJanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929002821245735729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-22671244815364028552011-05-29T11:48:05.199-05:002011-05-29T11:48:05.199-05:00I think I forgot the link for the sermon.
The mes...I think I forgot the link for the sermon.<br /><br />The message can be heard at<br /><br />http://www.resolved.org/media<br /><br />Go to 2008. It's called <i>The Three Most Important Facts of Life</i> and it's the first talk on the list.<br /><br />JanHJanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929002821245735729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-14317818480379856512011-04-25T23:51:40.359-05:002011-04-25T23:51:40.359-05:00To All:
An understanding of John MacArthur’s Lord...To All:<br /><br />An understanding of John MacArthur’s Lordship Salvation (LS) is why any appearance of approval or association with him and his pastoral staff is detrimental to young, impressionable Bible college students. <br /><br />It was no small, insignificant thing for NIU to seek association with John MacArthur and bring Rick Holland to the NIU chapel. The LS emphasis is a departure from and a danger to a proper understanding of the Gospel.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-27974644937848118862010-10-12T19:23:41.717-05:002010-10-12T19:23:41.717-05:00Chad,
I think Lou answered well enough. However,...Chad, <br /><br />I think Lou answered well enough. However, I'll add that truth isn't judged by how acceptable it is. It is either accurate or it is not. <br /><br />The passage that I quoted describes the current situation. There are saved Christians in grave doctrinal error, and unsaved servants of the Advisory who are preying on the weaker Brethren, and effectively silencing those who know better. <br /><br />It is the Church's responsibility, and even more so the overseer's of the local assemblies to keep our doctrine and fellowship pure. <br /><br />I think of other passages that may inform our discussion of Acts 20. 1Tim 1:3-4 Tit 1:7-11 & 13. Col 2:8 <br /><br />There are many other passages, but these speak of the error that Lou posted about. Allowing false teachers, be them saved or unsaved, to stand at our pulpits. <br /><br />The issue being addressed is not that John MacArthur or any in his organization (or other similar organizations) are saved or not. That issue is obviously most important, but not the topic of the article. The issue that IS being addressed is the terrible practice of throwing away doctrinal purity, for whatever reason. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-74286208267181955842010-10-12T19:09:56.943-05:002010-10-12T19:09:56.943-05:00Chad:
Thanks for asking, I’ll jump in here. My p...Chad:<br /><br />Thanks for asking, I’ll jump in here. My position has always been that many of the LS advocates such as John MacArthur are born again, but have gone horribly wrong on the Gospel. In his fervor to answer the obvious reductionist heresy of Zane Hodges he changed the terms of the gospel into the LS works based man-centered message.<br /><br />So, I classify MacArthur, et. al., among those in <b>Acts 20:30</b>, “<i>Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them</i>.”<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-52962235969045495672010-10-12T18:34:07.585-05:002010-10-12T18:34:07.585-05:00Kevl -
Are you saying that John Mac and all those...Kevl -<br /><br />Are you saying that John Mac and all those on the staff at Grace are "fierce wolves" seeking to destroy the flock? The implication from this passage is that these men who "come in" are clearly from without the church, and therefore must not be saved. I find that hard to swallow.<br /><br />ChadChadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-15919573934319948962010-10-08T19:38:24.404-05:002010-10-08T19:38:24.404-05:00Hi Lou & Anonymous,
Acts 20:28-31 speaks to ...Hi Lou & Anonymous, <br /><br />Acts 20:28-31 speaks to this issue clearly. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-63029728650334751962010-10-08T07:12:02.778-05:002010-10-08T07:12:02.778-05:00Rick Holland, pastoral staff at John MacArthur’s G...Rick Holland, pastoral staff at John MacArthur’s Grace Community Church, which distinctives include the Lordship Salvation interpretation of the gospel. Lordship Salvation is a man-centered, works based message that corrupts <i>the simplicity that is in Christ</i> (<b>2 Cor. 11:3</b>) and frustrates grace (<b>Gal. 2:21</b>). Northland has dropped the defense of the gospel by opening its doors for its students to be exposed to a purveyor of a false gospel. Clear enough?<br /><br /><br />LM<br /><br />See- <i><b><a href="http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2008/07/summary-of-lordship-salvation-on-single.html" rel="nofollow">Summary of Lordship Salvation From a Single Page</a></b></i>Lou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-13535358885408985402010-10-08T01:46:06.815-05:002010-10-08T01:46:06.815-05:00IDOTG,
What part of the gospel is not being defend...IDOTG,<br />What part of the gospel is not being defended with the invitation of Rick Holland?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com