tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post8241536325115248071..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: A Moment of Inspiration: Lordship Salvation by Dr. Larry HufhandLou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-55791823574925012872011-09-25T21:41:54.318-05:002011-09-25T21:41:54.318-05:00Stephen:
Thanks for sharing those things with me....Stephen:<br /><br />Thanks for sharing those things with me. It is encouraging to know my efforts in print and on line are making a difference.<br /> <br />Feel free to email a link to the FB if it is a public discussion.<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-23702535081150208932011-09-25T11:42:52.289-05:002011-09-25T11:42:52.289-05:00Hey Lou, just want you to know that my posting a l...Hey Lou, just want you to know that my posting a link to this on facebook has generated a good private discussion with a school friend of mine who went on to be a pastor. He currently leans LS but found this article and the middletown resources compelling.<br /><br />I've also loaned out your book and several others to another friend of mine who is writing a counter-lordship paper for a seminary class.<br /><br />Just want to encourage you that your work and resources are being used outside the walls of this blog, in ways you may never directly be aware of, to protect, preserve, and promote the gospel of grace.<br /><br />RegardsOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385339200643211924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-89981712162576697772011-09-20T12:06:57.205-05:002011-09-20T12:06:57.205-05:00Brian:
You mentioned, "...these are the peop...Brian:<br /><br />You mentioned, "...these are the people filling the pews of churches around America."<br /><br />When you look further, look at the "deplorable" articles at SI, and comment threads, some of those are the people filling the pulpits of churches around America. <br /><br />Tragic days! <br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-84581427663876226422011-09-20T11:56:10.285-05:002011-09-20T11:56:10.285-05:00You guys have touched on what is one of the cruxes...You guys have touched on what is one of the cruxes to what is a problem within real, Biblical Christianity...following personalities rather than following the Scriptures. "So-and-so said it so it must be right" is touted as the end-all, cure-all to most debates on various issues. And those that do push this are rarely if ever viewing the Scriptures to see what God really says. Though personalities are not driving this thought (unless you consider Covenant Theology a personality), over at SI there is a deplorable article by Dan Miller on Baptism. The ensuing comment thread (it too is deplorable) bears testimony to what is being said here. Instead of actually examining the Scriptures these posters are looking at others to find justification for a particular view of baptism.<br />When you consider that these are people filling the pews of churches around America today, it is frightening to consider that in just one generation our churches will be dead, lifeless shells of their former selves.<br />We must keep our noses in the Book of books, the Bible. We must emulate the Bereans of Acts, "who searched the Scriptures daily."Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924581374605153929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-18374528487526187882011-09-20T09:53:33.845-05:002011-09-20T09:53:33.845-05:00Lou, me too! I've had the same experiences.
...Lou, me too! I've had the same experiences. <br /><br />Robert, you know if everyone just stuck to reading the Bible then Lou's book wouldn't have had to be written.. in fact if Lou had written it we all probably would have had blog post up with the title "Well Duh!" :) <br /><br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-12199506707970144282011-09-19T08:51:16.993-05:002011-09-19T08:51:16.993-05:00Kev:
Sorry I am so late in reply.
Two things:
...Kev:<br /><br />Sorry I am so late in reply. <br /><br />Two things:<br /><br />There is little doubt that much of LS's popularity is personality driven. Just watch how any legitimate criticism of LS is considered a personal attack on the best known advocates of LS, John MacArthur in particular. <br /><br />Secondly, I have encountered folks who came to accept LS because their approach to it was: Well, if John MacArthur teaches it (LS), it must be right. Right? <br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-43926843115394168892011-09-18T07:55:12.272-05:002011-09-18T07:55:12.272-05:00I want to add to my first comment that I didn'...I want to add to my first comment that I didn't mean we shouldn't read Lou's book, but we should read the Bible AT FIRST. Always! It is helpful to read encouraging works of great, inspired, Spirit-filled christian authors, but it is very dangerous to protect a dogmatic system because you have read something that is written by a certain man or preacher. I'm absolutely sure Lou's book will be used by God to bring a clear Biblical message and understanding of the Gospel!<br /><br />RobertRobert Bezemerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06218062795677386682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-91962636945044031612011-09-17T09:46:01.923-05:002011-09-17T09:46:01.923-05:00Hi Lou,
Dr Hufhand wrote:
I’m not sure that th...Hi Lou, <br /><br />Dr Hufhand wrote: <br /><br /><i>I’m not sure that the men who are propagating this view really believe what I understand it to be. Sometimes men take positions that in reality are neither tenable or practical, simply because it fits into their theological position.</i> <br /><br />He's got a great point there. Many people will defend the idea that John MacArthur or whoever actually believes and preaches "Salvation through faith alone" with great ferver. Even after being shown that MacArthur's gospel demands much more than faith alone. <br /><br />Sometimes I tend think honesty and integrity are the problem when perhaps the true problem is the person's understanding. They are trusting the man they see revered is teaching truth and are not themselves able to discern the incongruence of what he claims to believe with what he actually teaches. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-8854935534978293682011-09-17T09:32:40.555-05:002011-09-17T09:32:40.555-05:00Stephen:
Over the few years we have interacted wi...Stephen:<br /><br />Over the few years we have interacted with and worked in cooperation when addressing LS and the "Crossless" gospel you (and Rachel) have consistently encouraged me. <br /><br />I have read some of your efforts on FB and they have been a convincing polemic. <br /><br />Keep the good fight. <br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-13616835567040385662011-09-17T09:05:14.638-05:002011-09-17T09:05:14.638-05:00Robert, those articles were pivotal to changing my...Robert, those articles were pivotal to changing my understanding several years ago when I first met Lou. They weren't the only factor in challenging the reformed views I held at the time, but they were important. Much of reformed theology makes God out to be a liar, IMHO, for sake of preserving their theological system.<br /><br />Lou, I've linked-to and shared this on Facebook. I love you brother, thanks for your continuing efforts. Sorry I haven't had time to interact more, but I am still "around". :-)<br /><br />Kind regardsOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385339200643211924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-63469124651008565372011-09-16T16:22:00.687-05:002011-09-16T16:22:00.687-05:00I have printed the article concerning the dangers ...I have printed the article concerning the dangers of Reformed Theology. Very helpful! We should read only ONE Book, the Bible :)<br /><br />RobertRobert Bezemerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06218062795677386682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-59175634993187261602011-09-16T08:36:14.378-05:002011-09-16T08:36:14.378-05:00In the review Dr. Hufhand mentioned on my behalf t...In the review Dr. Hufhand mentioned on my behalf that “<i>a clear definition is hard to come by</i>.” That is true. In my book I did , however, construct a definition that most will find very helpful. The difficulty in drafting one clear, concise definition is that LS touches on, flows from and corrupts several Bible doctrines. Lordship Salvation (LS) is an outflow from the errors of Calvinistic presuppositions. Furthermore, extra-biblical extremes of Calvinism, which is the dangerous teachings that regeneration must precede faith and that faith is the gift of God are building blocks of LS theology.<br /><br /><i><b><a href="http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/danger03.htm" rel="nofollow">The Danger of Teaching that Regeneration Precedes Faith</a></b></i><br /><br /><i><b><a href="http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/danger04.htm" rel="nofollow">The Danger of Teaching Faith is the Gift of God</a></b></i><br /><br />Lordship Salvation is a non-saving, man centered, works based message that <i>corrupts the simplicity that is in Christ</i> (<b>2 Cor. 11:3</b>) and <i>frustrates grace</i> (<b>Gal. 2:21</b>). Tragically, many men in the NT church have gone horribly wrong in their understanding of the gospel of salvation by grace through faith. They have fallen away from <i>believing, preaching and defending</i> the gospel grace for an idea of surrender, commitment and submission in <i>exchange</i> for salvation. We pray for their recovery from and repentance of the LS errors they propagate.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.com