tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post7133867505566218179..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: Bob Wilkin (Alleged): Response to the Debate & Deity QuestionLou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-42141461312556948502007-09-05T16:34:00.000-05:002007-09-05T16:34:00.000-05:00A MrGiggs on the GES site posed this question whic...A MrGiggs on the GES site posed this question which has to do with the deity of Christ.<BR/><BR/>You asked: <I>Can a person be born again if they don't believe in Jesus' conception by holy spirit / virgin birth?</I><BR/><BR/>He may or may not find this. We cannot even redirect the readers of that site here but this was to be my reply.<BR/><BR/>Are you saying this person does not believe in Jesus conception by the Holy Spirit or are you saying they deny it? If they deny it and by that denial they are saying Christ is not God who died for their sins then they are not saved. 1 John 4:1-3 would confirm this fact. 1 John 5:1 confirms that those who are born of God believe that Jesus is the Christ. “Christ” means deity!<BR/><BR/>For the doubters: The woman at the well in John 4:25 knew that the Messiah or the Christ would be “all-knowing”. Verse 29 confirms her belief that in the word Christ, Omniscience was implicit. No one is omniscient except God!<BR/><BR/>Matthew 26:63-68 also shows that the word Christ and Son of God both meant that He was equating Himself with God. If not, why would they have so vehemently accused our Lord Jesus Christ of blasphemy? Don’t even try to disparage the word Christ to mean something less than deity.<BR/><BR/>Those of you, who are crossless and deityless proponents, believe that the word “Christ” does not imply deity. Therefore you say it’s preferred to present a dumbed-down Jesus concept to people. You all actually believe that we are adding to the gospel to say that Jesus Christ is God, when we preach. Or, you may concede and say well, (talking about Diane, Jo and Alvin, Bill Fiess, and the other Mike etc. at GES) it’s okay but why muddy the waters with frivolous facts about who Jesus is.<BR/><BR/>Am I wrong? <BR/><BR/>BNazNazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17569948809440339340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-25020597900758618862007-09-05T16:21:00.000-05:002007-09-05T16:21:00.000-05:00Good point KevlYou said: “Where does it say, and S...Good point Kevl<BR/><BR/>You said: <I>“Where does it say, and So-And-So believed in Jesus for Eternal Life and it was accounted him for righteousness?”</I><BR/><BR/>There is no such a place. In fact I would challenge anyone to find me a verse that says the GES mantra of “believe in Jesus as the guarantor of eternal life.” Just one verse that truly says this!<BR/><BR/>Where is it?<BR/><BR/>BNazNazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17569948809440339340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-66550934389526081822007-09-03T19:19:00.000-05:002007-09-03T19:19:00.000-05:00Ok... taking the bait (sorta) from Bob and ask a f...Ok... taking the bait (sorta) from Bob and ask a follow-up to his response. <BR/><BR/>If we are going to limit our discussion to questions found only in the Bible then I ask you this. Can you show me the single person in the Bible who was Eternally Saved by simply "believing in Jesus for Eternal Life." <BR/><BR/>Where does it say, and So-And-So believed in Jesus for Eternal Life and it was accounted him for righteousness?<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-4139846725912972572007-09-03T13:15:00.000-05:002007-09-03T13:15:00.000-05:00Antonio/All:For your multiple reasons of your own ...Antonio/All:<BR/><BR/>For your multiple reasons of your own doing, I am putting you (and the blog community) on notice.<BR/><BR/>Basing my decision on the principle set forth in <B>Romans 16:17</B>, which states, “<I>Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which <B>cause divisions and offences</B> contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them</I>.”<BR/><BR/>Antonio, for demonstrating a spirit of unrestrained aggression, unchristian like combativeness, agitating for and causing “<I>divisions and offences</I>” you have forfeited the privilege to participate at my blog.<BR/><BR/>Post whatever you please at your site, but <B>you may not post here again</B>.<BR/><BR/>I will, of course discontinue my participation at your blog.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-9912249219442299382007-09-03T11:26:00.000-05:002007-09-03T11:26:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383024070371150288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-57416876280446907562007-09-03T10:25:00.000-05:002007-09-03T10:25:00.000-05:00Naz:You are correct! This is the secret that Wilk...Naz:<BR/><BR/>You are correct! This is the secret that Wilkin, Myers & Hodges do not want uncovered or discussed.<BR/><BR/>A while back I said the title "<I>Crossless</I>" is not even close to fully identifying what has been eradicated from the Gospel of Grace by Wilkin, Myers, Hodges and all those who are sympathetic to the position Hodges orginated.<BR/><BR/>This is why I noted to Wilkin that the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ is impossible to divorce from any honest discusssion of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for making the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ issue clear and noting the evasion of the deity question even at their own site, which I have also noted.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-86768159410166195422007-09-03T10:01:00.000-05:002007-09-03T10:01:00.000-05:00The “crossless” gospel is also a “godless” gospel....The “crossless” gospel is also a “godless” gospel. Jesus is not to be defined because to do so it to add to the gospel.<BR/><BR/>They have people on their own website begging them to please define things and they are so on the run that they don’t know what to do.<BR/><BR/>BretNazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17569948809440339340noreply@blogger.com