tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post6220504507238983662..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: General Thoughts on FGA’s Official Statement & Thanks to Brother Fred LybrandLou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-49750064484492370412008-03-19T13:55:00.000-05:002008-03-19T13:55:00.000-05:00Dear Guests:I just had to copy and paste a comment...Dear Guests:<BR/><BR/>I just had to copy and paste a comment from KnetKnight that he posted to a <I>Crossless</I> advocate at another blog. I trust you'll appeciate the tongue-in-cheek from Knet.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>I came up with this the other day to help you all infiltrate and take over Calvinism in the next decade or so. As a sign of my overarching good will I submit that all you have to do is adopt the following mnemonic as a summary of your theology.<BR/><BR/><B>T</B>rusting<BR/><B>U</B>nconditionally for<BR/><B>L</B>ife everlasting, even in<BR/><B>I</B>gnorance of the<BR/><B>P</B>rovider<BR/><BR/>See, then you can claim to be good "5 pointers" (wink wink) and infiltrate traditionally Calvinist organizations and slowly slip in your redefined TULIP. In a decade or two you'll be able to take over from the inside! IT COULD WORK!<BR/><BR/>Not,<BR/>Stephen</I>Lou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-67098633404516207012008-03-19T12:02:00.000-05:002008-03-19T12:02:00.000-05:00Men:I have So Great Salvation and quote from it se...Men:<BR/><BR/>I have <I>So Great Salvation</I> and quote from it several times in my LS book.<BR/><BR/>Ryrie’s book is probably the only book from that era in the LS debate that is left with any credibility. Hodges has gone off to such gross extremes he lost ALL credibility in the LS debate.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, Hodges is a serious liability in the debate and detrimental influence to those of us who reject LS. <BR/><BR/>Seems we always have to start by advising men that we/I do not agree with the egregious errors of Hodges, Wilkin and GES.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-22879887204505445602008-03-19T11:33:00.000-05:002008-03-19T11:33:00.000-05:00Stephen:Some of my somewhat Reformed leaning frien...Stephen:<BR/><BR/>Some of my somewhat Reformed leaning friends like to call themselves "<I>Calminians</I>."<BR/><BR/><BR/>LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-86689272684483003482008-03-18T14:42:00.000-05:002008-03-18T14:42:00.000-05:00Hi Stephen,I can see so much of how many of the re...Hi Stephen,<BR/><BR/>I can see so much of how many of the redefined free gracers have misrepresented Ryrie. In fact looking back over the past three years I now see why I was getting so confused in dialoguing with them and being guilted often by them to doubt my salvation. It is a horrible thing that they are doing to people, but they are subtly trying to call us away from the Rock of our salvation. I greatly apprectiate these books by Dr Ryrie. His position is sound and I am in agreement with Him and can now see why many of the Free Gracers who were refined in this new skepticism had me doubting my salvation so often. All is well now. Boy is it ever true that one must needs flee this false doctrine, not try to sympathize with it. May the Lord continue to bless you brother and this blog in their discernment. I always sort of deep down knew something was wrong with some of these cynicalists, but I could never put my finger on it. In one sense they have done that for us. Praise be to our Almighty and caring God who works in such mysterious ways.<BR/><BR/>Grace upon grace,<BR/><BR/>BrianOnly Lookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16074543462279905793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-50210685605959366882008-03-18T13:55:00.000-05:002008-03-18T13:55:00.000-05:00Ooh, I know!!! They could summarize their theology...Ooh, I know!!! They could summarize their theology with the phrase "<B>T</B>rusting <B>U</B>nconditionally for<BR/><B>L</B>ife even in <B>I</B>gnorance of the <B>P</B>rovider". Then they could usurp TULIP from the Calvinists and REALLY rub it in!!!<BR/><BR/>A moderate Calvinst with too much time on his hands... apparently.<BR/>StephenOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385339200643211924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-79184768305852447202008-03-18T13:36:00.000-05:002008-03-18T13:36:00.000-05:00Nice quote Brian, I totally agree and plan to read...Nice quote Brian, I totally agree and plan to read SGS myself as soon as I can get my hands on it.<BR/><BR/>I'm getting the impression however that the Redefined Free Grace extremists would have us begin to doubt that Mr Ryrie was Free Grace at all. If they don't, quotes like these will only serve to demonstrate that it is they who are attempting to usurp the title of Free Grace. Perhaps they should break clean and adopt a new name that's more fitting of their actual views -- Free Gift Theology perhaps?<BR/><BR/>Snicker snicker,<BR/>StephenOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385339200643211924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-12627163487193044672008-03-16T13:43:00.000-05:002008-03-16T13:43:00.000-05:00I wanted to leave this Charles Ryrie quote from Hi...I wanted to leave this Charles Ryrie quote from His book So Great Salvation because I am noticing that there are some out here claiming to hold to his same position and even emphasizing some of his books but then retracting and twisting his postions. Rachel picked up on this habit from Dr Wilkins and I discovered this statement and I now see what is happening. It is a good statement, please note that it is in the context of the debate with the Lordships about intellectuall assent but the same quote can clearly be used here to clearly show that some of the free gracers that say they align with his position clearly do not. For whatever reason they call us to understand his position is unclear, but the point is that they are not agreement with the bedrock of what our faith and what the gospel is. Here is the quote:<BR/><BR/>"Facts are essential. In describing the Gospel he preached, Paul said it was "that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). These historical and doctrinal facts are "of first importance" (v. 3) for without them there is no Gospel." Charles Ryrie, So Great SalvationOnly Lookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16074543462279905793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-37547689754244760662008-03-15T13:57:00.000-05:002008-03-15T13:57:00.000-05:00Amen Brian! The cross of Christ is precisely the o...Amen Brian! The cross of Christ is precisely the only place one can go to receive eternal salvation and deliverance from the penalty of their sins.<BR/><BR/>PhilPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10465988205120053926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-74411226874496965882008-03-15T11:40:00.000-05:002008-03-15T11:40:00.000-05:00Also I prayerfully encourage all who have read the...Also I prayerfully encourage all who have read the comments or made comments who are still thinking through this whole process of God making his salvation known...get to the cross to receive the salvation of God. Wherever you may be in your understanding of scripture and of God...get to the cross and receive the salvation of God before it is eternally too late.<BR/><BR/>Grace upon grace,<BR/><BR/>BrianOnly Lookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16074543462279905793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-50908262183961940922008-03-15T11:36:00.000-05:002008-03-15T11:36:00.000-05:00We will pray for him and that word spoken here in ...We will pray for him and that word spoken here in these last two posts, both strong and rightly offensive at times and also sweet encouraging ones, will resonate by the power of the Spirit of God alone and that brother Lybrand will be equiped for every good work considering what has been said here. Brother Phillip Evans has said it all, may Gods work prevail and His kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven.<BR/><BR/>Grace upon grace,<BR/><BR/>BrianOnly Lookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16074543462279905793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-86576156141147554562008-03-15T11:00:00.000-05:002008-03-15T11:00:00.000-05:00Dear Guests:In an e-mail exchange with Fred Lybran...Dear Guests:<BR/><BR/>In an e-mail exchange with Fred Lybrand last night I was informed that he had just been officially named Vice President of the FGA for 2008.<BR/><BR/>I am hopeful Brother Lybrand's presence on the FGA's board will help the FGA find its voice an footing.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-49570065621692319912008-03-15T10:21:00.000-05:002008-03-15T10:21:00.000-05:00Pastor Lybrand, I just wanted to leave a note for ...Pastor Lybrand, I just wanted to leave a note for encouragement for you as you work with the FGA. I believe I know what direction you want for them to take, and I hope they do very soon.<BR/><BR/>However, that body of men may fail. But we know there is a more important body - the body of Christ. Perhaps it is a necessary thing for FGA to fail, as it will clearly show to the body of Christ those that are approved and those that are not.<BR/><BR/>The Word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword. I would encourage you to boldly wield the Gospel message, and if need be sharply divide the FGA in order to reveal to the body of Christ those that are on His side and those that are opposed to Him.<BR/><BR/>God bless you,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10465988205120053926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-22172041159146714612008-03-15T02:00:00.000-05:002008-03-15T02:00:00.000-05:00Yes, Fred, thanks for your insights as well. I've ...Yes, Fred, thanks for your insights as well. I've kind of latched on to your "spirited but gracious" reference in the other thread as "words to blog by". I assume you've got other demands so I know I speak for Rachel and I when I say we appreciate the time you've taken to articulate your perspective as clearly as you have.<BR/><BR/>Growing in grace,<BR/>StephenOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385339200643211924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-15757902954728069832008-03-14T16:16:00.000-05:002008-03-14T16:16:00.000-05:00Fred:Grace and Peace to you.LMFred:<BR/><BR/>Grace and Peace to you.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-38351702183090028372008-03-14T15:43:00.000-05:002008-03-14T15:43:00.000-05:00Lou,Many thanks for your kind words and fine discu...Lou,<BR/><BR/>Many thanks for your kind words and fine discussion.<BR/><BR/>Grace and Truth always,<BR/><BR/>Fred LybrandDr. Fred R. Lybrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03236228911080466523noreply@blogger.com