tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post538671231410098390..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: An Open & Critical Review of Kevin Bauder’s Open LetterLou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-52268714474544036872013-01-30T14:40:10.887-06:002013-01-30T14:40:10.887-06:00Brian:
Literally took words out of my mouth. I am...Brian:<br /><br />Literally took words out of my mouth. I am well into addressing Bauder's absurd claim that the p. 85 comment by Mohler is genuine biblical repentance. If ever we needed an incontrovertible proof that Kevin is in the tank for evangelicals, will redefine Scripture and/or excuse them all together, this was it. <br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-85229704056739289142013-01-30T14:23:46.969-06:002013-01-30T14:23:46.969-06:00Thought I would place my comment here since you ha...Thought I would place my comment here since you have a link to Dr.Mohler and the Manhattan Declaration. Dr. Bauder has addressed that in a comment over at SI that quite frankly leaves me dumbstruck. Dr. Bauder has cheapened the word metanoia, by his declaration that Dr. Mohler has "repented" of his signing of the Manhattan Declaration because he (Dr. Mohler) stated this in a book,<br />Fifteen years later, I did sign the Manhattan Declaration, a statement of common concern on the issues of the sanctity of human life, the integrity of marriage, and the defense of religious liberty. I had been present in meetings leading up to the document’s release, and I was thrilled with its masterful defense of those three endangered affirmations. I was moved by its affirmations that we will not bend the knee to any earthly power that calls us to deny the faith. I was instructed by the quality of the document’s theological, biblical, and moral thinking.<br />I had great hope that the document and the movement would steer a new path that would accomplish a brave moral, consensus with confusing the theological issues at stake. Nevertheless, in light of subsequent statements, I came to believe that the Manhattan Declaration had also crossed the line into unwarranted and unbiblical recognition of the Roman Catholic Church. {What about the unbiblical recognition of the Orthodox Church? My thought not Dr. Mohler’s} We should not be embarrassed to state that we stand together when indeed we do—and on these crucial issues of concern it is especially important that we stand together with courage. But no sense of cultural crisis should blind us to the priority of the gospel. The moral arguments presented in the Manhattan Declaration are eloquent and powerful statements of Christian moral conviction and discernment. The statement is a brave call for men and women of conviction to defend life, marriage, and religious liberty with courage. When it comes to evangelicals and Roman Catholics, the difficulty lies in crafting a statement that acknowledges the Christian truths that are expressed and commonly cherished without requiring a mutual recognition of churches. (taken from pp. 85, 86 of Four Views on The Spectrum of Evangelicalism)<br />Really! That’s biblical repentance? This one sentence encased in two paragraphs raving about the declaration? It is to be noted that at the MD website on their list of signatories is Dr. Mohler’s name on the bottom of page 9. One would think that if a man had indeed come to the conclusion that signing something was wrong that he would then do what he could to have his name removed from said document, yet that is not the case with Dr. Mohler and the MD. This being presented as an illustration for biblical repentance is quite laughable if it were not of a serious nature. I would trust that we would agree that Judas Iscariot was NOT repentant, yet even he returned the money given him to betray Jesus Christ. Dr. Mohler has a weak statement in an obscure book which has nothing to do the MD and Dr. Bauder lifts this up as an example of biblical repentance. Dr. Bauder, do you really want to be taken seriously? Then please stop straining at gnats and swallowing camels when it comes to evangelicals.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924581374605153929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-13242798354449384662013-01-28T18:54:44.134-06:002013-01-28T18:54:44.134-06:00Militant separation from doctrinal error and compr...Militant separation from doctrinal error and compromise is a theme that today's "fundamentalist" is afraid off. It is not a popular position to point out doctrinal deviations. Dr. Clearwaters and other past fundamentalist fought for the existence of even their churches when the NBC tried to say the church property belonged to the denomination, not to the local congregations. "Doc" was not a perfect man, but fought for what was biblical correct! It is too bad he is not alive today!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-5265129774629005502013-01-28T06:41:11.623-06:002013-01-28T06:41:11.623-06:00I appreciate that you have shared your perspective...I appreciate that you have shared your perspective. You are one of many alumni from schools like Central, Calvary and Northland who are disappointed and sad over how current leadership at those schools have uprooted them and have steered them far from their fundamentalist, biblical separatist roots.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-85060838595037631072013-01-27T16:22:33.462-06:002013-01-27T16:22:33.462-06:00Dr. Bauder and the other "fundamentalist"...Dr. Bauder and the other "fundamentalist" leaders of our current, once militant schools inherited the schools from stalwarts who fought for seperation from liberals and New Evangelicals. The current leaders, except for Dr. Jordan, have no emotional or historical ties to the schools. Therefore, moving away to a non-militant position is in reality an easier task than one might imagine. Dr. Clearwaters, who was my instructor at Central Seminary, used to tell the story about how he was heckled at The Norhtern Baptist Convention meeting in the 1940's when he would ask the question, "what Jesus are talking about." Paul said to adhere to sound doctrine thirteen times in the Pastoral epistles. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com