tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post3659551570448120025..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: From the Archives: What is Lordship Salvation- And Why Does It Matter?Lou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-66017532313179951902011-06-15T10:14:20.022-05:002011-06-15T10:14:20.022-05:00Btw, I appreciate your good, thought provoking com...Btw, I appreciate your good, thought provoking comments/questions.<br /><br />You'd like me to spend more time on these things. Well, I appreciate that and understand your concern. FWIW, blog writing, especially comments need to be brief. IMO, blogs are the fast food venue of Bible study, teaching and debate. My 300+ page book gets into the nitty-gritty of the LS debate comprehensively.<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-79955280266770952392011-06-15T10:07:27.770-05:002011-06-15T10:07:27.770-05:00Tony:
Writing from my cell phone, will be brief.
...Tony:<br /><br />Writing from my cell phone, will be brief.<br /><br />1) Any man who brings with him works, or a promise to do works cannot be born again.<br /><br />2) Glad you know what LS is; do you reject it? Many do not recognize LS and some sadly fall into it's trap. I am writing for them, the unsuspecting especially.<br /><br />3) Why do you think that rather than walking away from the LS men in evangelicalism Bauder, Doran, Olson are instead embracing and engineering greater cooperation with them? Remember the new rallying cry is, "gospel centric, it's all about the gospel." Calvinistic soteriology in the form of LS is the gospel they are rallying around.<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-61819881202123210162011-06-15T09:21:03.494-05:002011-06-15T09:21:03.494-05:00I take from this comment you made,
"Any los...I take from this comment you made, <br /><br />"Any lost person who comes to Christ in faith, plus the addition of his own commitment to do the “good works” (Eph. 2:10) expected of a born again disciple of Christ cannot be born again. He has come to Christ with a promise to perform works, and that is a non-saving, works salvation."<br /><br />that your answer is NO. You do not believe a person can be saved by the LS message.<br /><br />I know what LS is. I simply wanted to know if you think people can be saved by its message, since you stated that LS is NOT the gospel and the Bible states that only the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.<br /><br />I wish in some of your posts you would spend more time clearly drawing the line on this. Don't simply say it is a mancentered gospel. State clearly that people cannot be saved by this message and that is why it is so needed for Bauder, Doran, and Olson to walk away from these so called conservative evangelicals who rally around LS. Thanks.<br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-51539714925351661692011-06-15T08:09:45.857-05:002011-06-15T08:09:45.857-05:00Tony:
I have only a few moments. Would like to d...Tony:<br /><br />I have only a few moments. Would like to do more with your excellent question, but here goes with the time I have.<br /><br />What does the Bible say? How has God provided for and how does the lost man receive salvation (justification)? What is the biblical plan of salvation? We can look to passages such as <b>John 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-11; Rom. 10:9-10, 13; Acts 16:30-31; 1 John 5:11-13</b> for direction. The active word for the sinner is to <i>believe</i>. Lost men are born again by faith, believing in whom Jesus is (His deity) and what He did to provide salvation. Behavior and/or front-loading faith with commitment to behavior, submission, surrender never enter the biblical plan of salvation. I have always appreciated this passage.<br /><br /><b>John 6:28-29</b> “<i>Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye <b>believe on him</b> whom he hath sent</i>.”<br /><br />Advocates of LS have forced into the gospel of grace conditions that God never mandated for the reception of the gift of eternal life. (<b>Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9</b>) When you read LS samples from men like John MacArthur, which are in the article above, one quickly realizes that he has changed the terms of the Gospel. JMac has forced into, extracted from, redefined the Scriptures to force them into conformity with his LS interpretation of the Gospel. He and all men who preach that message have <i>corrupted the simplicity that is in Christ</i> (<b>2 Cor. 11:3</b>) and <i>frustrate grace</i> (<b>Gal. 2:21</b>).<br /><br />Any lost person who comes to Christ in faith, plus the addition of his own commitment to do the “<i>good works</i>” (<b>Eph. 2:10</b>) expected of a born again disciple of Christ cannot be born again. He has come to Christ with a promise to perform works, and that is a non-saving, works salvation.<br /><br />We cannot necessarily know what is/has gone on in the heart of a lost man who may well be under the convicting and convincing ministry of the Holy Spirit (<b>John 16:7-11</b>). I do, however, know this: If a lost man is told,<br /><br />“<i>If you want to receive this gift [salvation] it will cost you the total commitment of all that you are to the Lord Jesus Christ</i>.” (Ps. Lawson)<br /><br />“<i>Salvation is for those who are willing to forsake everything</i>.” (JMac)<br /><br />If a lost man is told, as LS insists, that he must “<i>turn from sin</i>,” that is to “<i>stop sinning and start obeying</i>” in <i>exchange</i> for the gift of eternal life, he has heard a false, man-centered, non-saving message.<br /><br />Hope this is helpful. So, much more I’d like to expand on here and add to, but I trust this is helpful.<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-7917079348911546322011-06-14T13:06:03.019-05:002011-06-14T13:06:03.019-05:00Lou, you said, "Lordship Salvation is not the...Lou, you said, "Lordship Salvation is not the gospel!"<br /><br />Rom 1:16 says that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.<br /><br />My question to you if you think can be saved by hearing the LS gospel?<br /><br />If they can, then LS must be the gospel. Right?<br /><br />I am interested in hearing your thoughts.<br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com