tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post2457330304267817062..comments2024-02-27T03:28:22.684-06:00Comments on In Defense of the Gospel: What Does Central Seminary & John Piper’s Desiring God Have in Common? Each Other!Lou Martuneachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-48390156197115182622012-10-12T14:10:47.462-05:002012-10-12T14:10:47.462-05:00Lou,
No problem. I am never under the impression ...Lou,<br /><br />No problem. I am never under the impression all comments should be reciprocated in kind. You are busy and it would exhaust you to do so with all the various comments. Your contentiousness, however, is exceptional and appreciated. <br /><br />I really don't get Bauder's love affair with Piper. I believe that many like him are simply doing an "Obama" and refusing to deal with pointed objections and inconsistencies and only surround people who either play by their rules or echo their sentiments. <br /><br />Piper isn't warned again only by Fundamentalists, there are many Evangelicals (conservative and actually some general Evangelicals) who know Piper has too much errant teaching to be a good source. But Bauder seems to be smoking that brand like the carcinogens are harmless (the analogy, of course, is not to encourage smoking, only to present a picture).<br /><br />AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-42878286088523184802012-10-12T12:37:22.731-05:002012-10-12T12:37:22.731-05:00Alex:
I am so sorry that I neglected to reply to ...Alex:<br /><br />I am so sorry that I neglected to reply to your comment above sooner than now. I do appreciate your penetrating observations and the way you articulate them. <br /><br />You wrote, “<i>And it is here where we are commanded to distinguish between those who are errant and those who are not...</i>”<br /><br />The once clear lines of distinction are under assault and/or blurring for several years. With Kevin Bauder having for several years writing at times an apologist for so-called “<i>conservative</i>” evangelicals it is little wonder that the distinguishing characteristics have been blurred. The lines may never be erased, but what is clear is the move to be part of Desiring God affirms that whatever lines may exists are stepped over for the sake of fellowship and cooperative ministry with doctrinally dangerous New Evangelicals.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing with us.<br /><br /><br />Lou<br />Lou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-48414191990987474252012-10-10T22:11:36.594-05:002012-10-10T22:11:36.594-05:00TP:
This afternoon I did have a chat with Michae...TP:<br /> <br />This afternoon I did have a chat with Michael Riley. I shared with him your question. He told me how he came to the church he is at now. Good testimony. I suggest you contact him directly.<br /><br /> <br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-56152940814580443402012-10-10T22:11:05.705-05:002012-10-10T22:11:05.705-05:00Brian:
For those reasons I said that this should...Brian:<br /> <br />For those reasons I said that this should be no surprise whatsoever. At the height of Kevin Bauder’s excusing and running interference for these so-called “<i>conservative</i>” evangelicals, while trashing fundamentalism with a broad brush I always figured that if Central’s board did not remove Kevin Bauder they were going to follow him. It turns out to be the latter. This is a link to the first in my series in which I addressed Kevin’s <i>Let’s Get Clear</i> article. Please see, <a href="http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2010/03/lets-get-crystal-clear-on-this-response.html" rel="nofollow"><i><b>Let’s Get CRYSTAL Clear on This</b></i></a><br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-12792952223574356412012-10-10T13:47:28.704-05:002012-10-10T13:47:28.704-05:00This is what is to be expected from men who enthus...This is what is to be expected from men who enthusiastically praise evangelicals as Dr. Bauder did in March 2010 in his article, Let's Get Clear On This. If one is really willing to examine the evidence, the "conservative" evangelicals that Dr. Bauder and others have made excuses for, you will see that they really are not much different than their new-evangelical fathers/grandfathers of the 40's/50's. They continue down the path of least resistence.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924581374605153929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-53026452924972342872012-10-10T11:12:28.827-05:002012-10-10T11:12:28.827-05:00Lou,
Quick question: Can you tell me what happen...Lou, <br /><br />Quick question: Can you tell me what happened with Michael Riley, the man Central supposedly hired to be the assistant to the president, then Bauder? <br /><br />I find it strange that shortly after Riley's hiring Bauder stepped down as president, and then no more was heard about Riley. I've since learned he's taken a church in Wakefield, MI., a church I'm rather familiar with. <br /><br />Do you know what happened there? Was Riley let go? Did Central play him false? I'm sure there's an explanation, but I haven't heard it. <br /><br />Have a good one!<br /><br /><br />T. Pennock<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30991724.post-1454986782668160942012-10-10T09:13:42.091-05:002012-10-10T09:13:42.091-05:00I get seeking to attract Southern Baptists and Bib...I get seeking to attract Southern Baptists and Bible church-cessationists, but considering Central's history, trying to attract not only Piper's charismatic students but students of his hermeneutic thus, his theological heresies, is asking for a great deal of trouble. <br /><br />It is one thing for a student of Piper's ministry (by extension the new Pastor and the whole of the ministry which is built upon Piper's errant heresy of Christian Hedonism which is built upon a grotesque hermeneutic) to see Central and say to themselves, "I am persuaded by them" where he understands that he is asking to join them, thus Central retains their authority and predominance and his understood acquiescence but it is another thing to solicit those as invited, hence treating them as acceptable in doctrine and practice, to join an institution, even as a student. It is an affirmation of their errant doctrine and practice, even if the institution intends on "teaching it out of them" before they leave, that isn't what is communicated with such transfers of affirmation. At best it is deceptive bait and switch but in the end, questionable to have a booth, if indeed one seeks to keep out doctrinal leaven.<br /><br />Granted, one thing. It may be they approach it like the military. That is, the military recruits in schools which is not to affirm the school but to say, "We are available if you wish to accept our way of life". However, the comparison fails to some degree. A school and the military are not the same, but the body of Christ with another group in the body of Christ are the same. And it is here where we are commanded to distinguish between those who are errant and those who are not and to solicit from Piper's circle is to not only fail to identify the errant but to affirm it with recruiting of this kind.Alex A. Guggenheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534710796711749227noreply@blogger.com